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		By: Darin		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am sorry I notice I wrote the wrong word in the fist sentence and first paragraph commendation should of been condemnation.  Is there a way you can edit it Mark]]></description>
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		By: Darin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2021 22:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I had a Pastor say Satan cannot convict, but can he condemn and bring commendation on you? I thought this was a good question and I had to go to my Lord and ask him, and he provided me an answer to that question. The answer is NO, he cannot convict or condemn, and it comes from the flesh and the world. We are our worst enemy and those feeling come from us and saying we are not worthy. If we are truly saved and we sin, the conviction the Holy Spirit gives us will feel a lot like that, but our reaction to it will be, go to the Father and ask for forgiveness, and help me from falling into temptation and remove the sin from me. This will be a process and it won’t happen overnight, it could but probably won’t, and Jesus and the Holy Spirit will work with you until you go through the trial and be successful, and you will mature into Jesus a little bit more through the trial. It could take years of trials and surrender for God to mold us into the image of Jesus. Satan will be there along the way and telling us lies and get you to give up before God gets you where he wants you. The Lies will be you are saved, and this is where your faith comes into play and this is Satan condemning you and confirming your own commendation and now you can blame Satan instead of yourself.  Satan will play into the once saved always save. This is a lie from Satan, and it is his biggest stumbling block. Jesus is actually very clear about this. In John 15:2 and 6. 2 Every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit. Notice Every branch in me, these are people that are saved and call themselves Christians. 6 If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned. Paul said the same thing in Rom 11:17-24 Look at the warning in verse 21.  Remember Paul did not walk with Jesus and I believe Paul did not know Jesus told the story of the vine and branches if he did, I believe he would have said my Lord once told a story of the vine and branches and would have repeated John 15. Here is a hard question if you believe once saved always saved. On judgement day are you ready to call Jesus a liar when he asks you about these verses?

This is the church hanging on the promises that are in the Word. The Promise that Jesus says whoever comes to me I give life, and nothing can take it away, and you will be with me for eternity. I can quote a lot of scriptures in John, Romans, Ephesians and many more. These are all promises, and they are true. The question is are you holding up your end of the contract? The new covenant is a contract, and in the covenant, what is our obligation to it? To LOVE GOD AND LOVE OTHERS AS YOURSELVES and to keep the Commands in the Word and STOP SINNING and if we do, ask Jesus to forgive that sin, and REPENT, and tremble with fear of God.  I have heard no Pastor ask that question and I can quote a lot of scripture of warnings if we do not hold up our end of the covenant. This is what I meant when I said, the church hangs on to the promises and they won’t search scripture to find the truth and see if you are in the condition to receive the promise. 

I say all this in LOVE and with the help of the Holy Spirit so there can be a great awakening and revival and the Churches coming back to God and be united. The TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a Pastor say Satan cannot convict, but can he condemn and bring commendation on you? I thought this was a good question and I had to go to my Lord and ask him, and he provided me an answer to that question. The answer is NO, he cannot convict or condemn, and it comes from the flesh and the world. We are our worst enemy and those feeling come from us and saying we are not worthy. If we are truly saved and we sin, the conviction the Holy Spirit gives us will feel a lot like that, but our reaction to it will be, go to the Father and ask for forgiveness, and help me from falling into temptation and remove the sin from me. This will be a process and it won’t happen overnight, it could but probably won’t, and Jesus and the Holy Spirit will work with you until you go through the trial and be successful, and you will mature into Jesus a little bit more through the trial. It could take years of trials and surrender for God to mold us into the image of Jesus. Satan will be there along the way and telling us lies and get you to give up before God gets you where he wants you. The Lies will be you are saved, and this is where your faith comes into play and this is Satan condemning you and confirming your own commendation and now you can blame Satan instead of yourself.  Satan will play into the once saved always save. This is a lie from Satan, and it is his biggest stumbling block. Jesus is actually very clear about this. In John 15:2 and 6. 2 Every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit. Notice Every branch in me, these are people that are saved and call themselves Christians. 6 If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned. Paul said the same thing in Rom 11:17-24 Look at the warning in verse 21.  Remember Paul did not walk with Jesus and I believe Paul did not know Jesus told the story of the vine and branches if he did, I believe he would have said my Lord once told a story of the vine and branches and would have repeated John 15. Here is a hard question if you believe once saved always saved. On judgement day are you ready to call Jesus a liar when he asks you about these verses?</p>
<p>This is the church hanging on the promises that are in the Word. The Promise that Jesus says whoever comes to me I give life, and nothing can take it away, and you will be with me for eternity. I can quote a lot of scriptures in John, Romans, Ephesians and many more. These are all promises, and they are true. The question is are you holding up your end of the contract? The new covenant is a contract, and in the covenant, what is our obligation to it? To LOVE GOD AND LOVE OTHERS AS YOURSELVES and to keep the Commands in the Word and STOP SINNING and if we do, ask Jesus to forgive that sin, and REPENT, and tremble with fear of God.  I have heard no Pastor ask that question and I can quote a lot of scripture of warnings if we do not hold up our end of the covenant. This is what I meant when I said, the church hangs on to the promises and they won’t search scripture to find the truth and see if you are in the condition to receive the promise. </p>
<p>I say all this in LOVE and with the help of the Holy Spirit so there can be a great awakening and revival and the Churches coming back to God and be united. The TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE.</p>
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		By: Mark Beuving		</title>
		<link>https://jackasstheology.com/2020/05/18/clanging-cymbal-theology/#comment-5326</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2020 01:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jackasstheology.com/2020/05/18/clanging-cymbal-theology/#comment-5323&quot;&gt;Darin&lt;/a&gt;.

This resonates with me deeply, Darin. Thank you for taking the time to post this. So beautifully said and so true.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="/2020/05/18/clanging-cymbal-theology/#comment-5323">Darin</a>.</p>
<p>This resonates with me deeply, Darin. Thank you for taking the time to post this. So beautifully said and so true.</p>
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		By: Darin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2020 15:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mark, I was awakened at 3AM this morning by the Holy Spirit with a revelation to your question, was Paul serious when he said this 1 Corinthians 13: 1-3.   Paul was very serious about it. He was describing himself as Saul, he was a Pharisee and he knew the Law backwards and forward and it was in his heart. He had all this as Saul, and he went to war for his God and Murder Christians. If you asked Saul why? He would have said, with all his Heart, Mind and Soul it was for God. And he is wrong, because he did not have LOVE.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, I was awakened at 3AM this morning by the Holy Spirit with a revelation to your question, was Paul serious when he said this 1 Corinthians 13: 1-3.   Paul was very serious about it. He was describing himself as Saul, he was a Pharisee and he knew the Law backwards and forward and it was in his heart. He had all this as Saul, and he went to war for his God and Murder Christians. If you asked Saul why? He would have said, with all his Heart, Mind and Soul it was for God. And he is wrong, because he did not have LOVE.</p>
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		By: Darin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2020 01:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mark. I Love it, I Love it, I LOVE IT.  You my friend nailed it. When I read this, I felt the Holy Spirit inspired all of it. It came form God and was downloaded to you through the Holy Spirit. 

 Now I am going to play the Devil Advocate, because I see a lot of warnings in what you wrote and I am going to ask you, would you have the courage to actually teach and preach this, and make it very personal to your congregation like you did with your daughter, and ask questions?  Did you see the love you put out towards your friends and family, your neighbors, co-workers, and other Christians?  Or was it something other than Love?  This will convict a lot of people and the God Head has showed me conviction for most Christians, I will say 90 to 95% of Christian has conviction wrong and blame Satan for it, because it is so painful, and they will feel guilt, sin, unworthy, and handling it wrongly.  Christians will blame Satan for this conviction, and they will say it’s a lie from Satan. When in fact it is coming from the Holy Spirit, and what is the Holy Spirit saying? Answer Repent.  Satan cannot convict, only the Holy Spirit can convict. Satan can Lie, deceive, trick you in thinking you are right with God.

 Jesus raised the bar and he said, Hate is Murder. I see a lot of murder in today society. Our country is divided down the middle and I see hate against our President and against politicians on both sides. As Christians we are allowed to hate the sin that comes out of these people, but we still must love the person or the sinner.
  
 When I read the Bible, I see a book of warnings and The God Head has put all these warnings in the Word because of  love, and for our own good, so we have an example how to live and not fall into sin. The problem is the Church today will not teach or preach any warnings. Your right Mark, if you taught this you would have people come down on you and they would say things like are you questioning my salvation. They will say, it is impossible to love like that and if you only knew what they have done to me, and I do not think God would even like it. I would say Mat. 6:14-15. Do you see the warning in Mat. 6-15?  Jesus hanging on a cross that the religious establishment (God’s chosen people) put him there and he is asking our Father in Heaven to forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing. If Jesus can forgive that, we should be able to forgive anything that a person does to us.

 Mark. I am being very bold here and I am saying all this in love and with the help of the Holy Spirit. I have been praying for revival for many years now and the God Head has shown all this to me, and the Church today needs a wake-up call and turn back to God and start teaching warnings. There in the Bible because of love. 

  If the Church starts teaching warnings, first they must teach CONVICTION, and Satan cannot convict, and it comes from the Holy Spirit, and what is he saying, TURN FROM YOUR SIN (REPENT).

 Here is a lie from Satan that was revealed to me. If you try to love like this and live like Jesus, and you do this by the flesh you will fail.  You must mature in Jesus so that you receive the promise Holy Spirit. Satan has told a lot of Churches and the people you have received the indwelling Holy Spirit at the moment of salvation, and this is a lie from Satan. John 14:15-17 Jesus said, if you love me, you will keep my commandments. Then he will ask the Father and he will give you a helper to be with you forever. Can you see the timeline here? You must get to know him and love him and keep his commandments. Impossible to do all that at salvation.   In Acts 19: 1-12 Paul came across some disciples. These are people that were saved and baptized and teaching Jesus and the good news, but they have not received the Holy Spirit yet. Receiving the indwelling Holy Spirit is a second event and it is supernatural, and it comes from above. Why does Satan want to deceive us on this? Because when you feel the conviction you will not feel the need to press into Jesus more and chase after him.  This will stop the growth in Jesus, and you will never receive the promise Holy Spirit. 

 This is the true meaning of Grace. God loved us so much and knowing we had no hope of keeping the law he gave his only begotten son Jesus and the Holy Spirit. If they are in you and you abide in them you can live like Jesus, because they are living through you, and they know how to live like Jesus. This is living in Holiness. Holiness living is not taught in church anymore, and our Father in Heaven wants this taught.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark. I Love it, I Love it, I LOVE IT.  You my friend nailed it. When I read this, I felt the Holy Spirit inspired all of it. It came form God and was downloaded to you through the Holy Spirit. </p>
<p> Now I am going to play the Devil Advocate, because I see a lot of warnings in what you wrote and I am going to ask you, would you have the courage to actually teach and preach this, and make it very personal to your congregation like you did with your daughter, and ask questions?  Did you see the love you put out towards your friends and family, your neighbors, co-workers, and other Christians?  Or was it something other than Love?  This will convict a lot of people and the God Head has showed me conviction for most Christians, I will say 90 to 95% of Christian has conviction wrong and blame Satan for it, because it is so painful, and they will feel guilt, sin, unworthy, and handling it wrongly.  Christians will blame Satan for this conviction, and they will say it’s a lie from Satan. When in fact it is coming from the Holy Spirit, and what is the Holy Spirit saying? Answer Repent.  Satan cannot convict, only the Holy Spirit can convict. Satan can Lie, deceive, trick you in thinking you are right with God.</p>
<p> Jesus raised the bar and he said, Hate is Murder. I see a lot of murder in today society. Our country is divided down the middle and I see hate against our President and against politicians on both sides. As Christians we are allowed to hate the sin that comes out of these people, but we still must love the person or the sinner.</p>
<p> When I read the Bible, I see a book of warnings and The God Head has put all these warnings in the Word because of  love, and for our own good, so we have an example how to live and not fall into sin. The problem is the Church today will not teach or preach any warnings. Your right Mark, if you taught this you would have people come down on you and they would say things like are you questioning my salvation. They will say, it is impossible to love like that and if you only knew what they have done to me, and I do not think God would even like it. I would say Mat. 6:14-15. Do you see the warning in Mat. 6-15?  Jesus hanging on a cross that the religious establishment (God’s chosen people) put him there and he is asking our Father in Heaven to forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing. If Jesus can forgive that, we should be able to forgive anything that a person does to us.</p>
<p> Mark. I am being very bold here and I am saying all this in love and with the help of the Holy Spirit. I have been praying for revival for many years now and the God Head has shown all this to me, and the Church today needs a wake-up call and turn back to God and start teaching warnings. There in the Bible because of love. </p>
<p>  If the Church starts teaching warnings, first they must teach CONVICTION, and Satan cannot convict, and it comes from the Holy Spirit, and what is he saying, TURN FROM YOUR SIN (REPENT).</p>
<p> Here is a lie from Satan that was revealed to me. If you try to love like this and live like Jesus, and you do this by the flesh you will fail.  You must mature in Jesus so that you receive the promise Holy Spirit. Satan has told a lot of Churches and the people you have received the indwelling Holy Spirit at the moment of salvation, and this is a lie from Satan. John 14:15-17 Jesus said, if you love me, you will keep my commandments. Then he will ask the Father and he will give you a helper to be with you forever. Can you see the timeline here? You must get to know him and love him and keep his commandments. Impossible to do all that at salvation.   In Acts 19: 1-12 Paul came across some disciples. These are people that were saved and baptized and teaching Jesus and the good news, but they have not received the Holy Spirit yet. Receiving the indwelling Holy Spirit is a second event and it is supernatural, and it comes from above. Why does Satan want to deceive us on this? Because when you feel the conviction you will not feel the need to press into Jesus more and chase after him.  This will stop the growth in Jesus, and you will never receive the promise Holy Spirit. </p>
<p> This is the true meaning of Grace. God loved us so much and knowing we had no hope of keeping the law he gave his only begotten son Jesus and the Holy Spirit. If they are in you and you abide in them you can live like Jesus, because they are living through you, and they know how to live like Jesus. This is living in Holiness. Holiness living is not taught in church anymore, and our Father in Heaven wants this taught.</p>
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		By: Neal F Brower		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2020 14:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is the one! The articles undergirding all articles! So I have been a brother in this way of love with you all along, and taught 1 Cor. 13 exactly this way for the last 5 years. HOWEVER, your last observation about moving from childishness to maturity BLEW ME AWAY. Why is this the first time I&#039;ve heard/read this? The adults in the room are holding their thoughts and all you can see/feel/hear is their love.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the one! The articles undergirding all articles! So I have been a brother in this way of love with you all along, and taught 1 Cor. 13 exactly this way for the last 5 years. HOWEVER, your last observation about moving from childishness to maturity BLEW ME AWAY. Why is this the first time I&#8217;ve heard/read this? The adults in the room are holding their thoughts and all you can see/feel/hear is their love.</p>
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